tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998901375162827260.post5092129906698588642..comments2024-03-26T13:14:16.760+00:00Comments on teifidancer: The other 9/11teifidancerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14476044378212084216noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998901375162827260.post-9287594717766394332018-09-12T00:05:56.785+01:002018-09-12T00:05:56.785+01:00no now you've said your piece, your account is...no now you've said your piece, your account is in complete variance to mine, your truth in my humble opinion distorted by an onvvious bias, that ignores most common narratives, the significance of his election has been disputed by some because he only had a plurality, not a majority, in the popular vote. This could be said of any modern government. Allende was no way a saint but your agenda,simply does not give evidence of him acting as a tyrant,on all accounts under the later dictatorship of Pinochet, this is how his tenure will be long remembered. In death Allende was mourned, Within a few minutes of the announcement that the hated tyrant Pinochet was dead, thousands of Chilean people took to the streets to celebrate. We are not going to agree on this issue, but I will at least bid you good night<br />teifidancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14476044378212084216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998901375162827260.post-25272504563565273422018-09-11T22:40:19.361+01:002018-09-11T22:40:19.361+01:00Teifidancer,
It's not "my version of his...Teifidancer,<br /><br />It's not "my version of history" but the actual historical facts.<br /><br />At 37% that means the overwhelming majority of Chileans wanted someone - anyone, actually - other than Allende. Yes, the guy was elected but as soon as he was in power he revealed himself as a tyrant - just like the other socialist and communist dictators he so admired and sought to emulate.<br /><br />That's why the Chilean supreme court ruled Allende's actions unconstitutional and the Council of Deputies called upon the Chilean army to save what was left of Chile's democracy by removing the tyrant Allende had revealed himself to be.<br /><br />As to Pinochet's "repression" that really doesn't square with the peace, the prosperity nor the freedoms Chileans came to enjoy during the years he was still in office and have enjoyed since. When Pinochet stepped down after losing his presidential bid, Chile had the best economy, the biggest middle class, and the most personal freedom of any country in South America. It certainly had more than Argentina or Venezuela and Chileans were far better off than peoples under just about any other socialist dictatorship.<br /><br />And when both the country's supreme court and its duly elected legislature call upon the military to save the country it's rather difficult to cal that action a "coup."Madoc Popehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549879906568250075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998901375162827260.post-44111478086804184372018-09-11T20:14:31.665+01:002018-09-11T20:14:31.665+01:00 Well what can I say, just that your version of hi... Well what can I say, just that your version of history the complete opposite to mine,Allende was certainly no hero but the fact remains that he entered office in November 1970 with 37 percent of the popular vote, with Congress overwhelmingly electing him to the Preidency. He became the constitutional President, selected through a rigorously democratic process in which there was no charge of corruption, no hint of irregularities. but on many accounts Gen. Augusto Pinochet was a brutal dictator who repressed Chile for nearly two decades and became a notorious symbol of human rights abuse and corruption.<br />The facts that I have read are that General Pinochet seized power on Sept. 11, 1973, in a bloody military coup that led during his rule, to more than 3,200 people being executed or disappeared, and scores of thousands more were detained and tortured or exiled.. Is this a history you are proud of? Do we simply forget. Think we just have to simply disagree.teifidancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14476044378212084216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998901375162827260.post-17832978894729734092018-09-11T19:54:06.963+01:002018-09-11T19:54:06.963+01:00It's telling when a screed that finishes with ...It's telling when a screed that finishes with a plea to "the forces of truth" starts with one lie after another. That 1.6M Iraqi death figure has been repeatedly debunked and discredited. Were that the only lie in this propaganda piece about Chile under Allende then that would've been bad enough. Sadly, it's not.<br /><br />Odd how its author makes no mention of Allende's open support of the Communist insurgents in Chile who were murdering Chilean citizens even before he came to power. <br /><br />Once in power he began ruling by decree - just like the other Communist tyrants that he so praised and sought to emulate. This got so bad that Chile's supreme court declared that Allende actions were unconstitutional.<br /><br />Following this the Chamber of Deputies - Chile's equivalent to the US Senate - called upon Chile's army to depose Allende and thus save what little of Chile's democracy he'd yet to destroy.<br /><br />Allende and his followers fought this and that touched off the brief civil war in Chile. A war which consumed about 4,000 people - and not the 20,000 Jara's screed asserts.<br /><br />It's odd how that article doesn't mention any of Allende's ruling by decree or how his presidency was declared unconstitutional by Chile's own supreme court.<br /><br />It's also telling who the article doesn't mention how Pinochet stepped down from power after having lost that election in 1990. If the man were half the tyrant the propaganda makes him out to be then he'd have bitterly clung to power no matter what. This, just like Allende's hero, Fidel Castro, did to his dying breath.<br /><br />Yes, those years were at times dark ones for Chile. But spewing lie filled propaganda like this "The Other 9/11" piece does only makes things worse, not better.Madoc Popehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549879906568250075noreply@blogger.com